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#18 Courage vs. Confidence
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What's the real difference between courage and confidence, and which do you actually need more of? In this illuminating exploration, life and mindset coach Sharon Murphy unravels a common misconception that holds many of us back from living fully.
Courage isn't an emotion but a choice available to all of us—the decision to take action despite uncertainty or fear. Meanwhile, confidence is a belief that grows only after we've taken those brave steps forward. This revelatory perspective flips conventional thinking on its head: we don't need confidence before starting; we need courage to begin, and confidence naturally follows.
Through thoughtful analysis of these two qualities, Sharon reveals why many of us stay stuck waiting for confidence that can never come until we first act with courage. She examines how saints and inspiring figures throughout history demonstrated remarkable courage, drawing strength not from self-confidence but from faith. By distinguishing between confidence in outcomes versus confidence in our ability to weather whatever comes, she offers a liberating framework for approaching challenges.
The most profound insight? People who exude authentic confidence have consistently practiced courage over time. They've learned they can face difficulty and emerge stronger, regardless of perfect outcomes. This understanding transforms how we view "failures," helping us embrace each experience as an opportunity for growth rather than evidence of our limitations.
Whether you're hesitating to pursue a dream, begin again after disappointment, or simply step out of your comfort zone, this episode provides the perspective shift needed to move forward. Schedule a free coaching session through the link in the show notes to explore how courage can transform your life's journey.
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Welcome to the Heights
Speaker 1Hello and welcome to my podcast. My name is Sharon Murphy and I'm a certified life and mindset coach and I help women who seek to be happy and holy. Each week, I'll bring you tools and insights to help you on your journey to the heights. I'm so glad you're here. Welcome to the podcast to the heights. I'm so glad you're here and I. Whatever you're doing right now, wherever you're at, I hope you're enjoying the day, and this past weekend here we officially started summer and I'm loving all of it.
Speaker 1This week is also my husband and my 31st wedding anniversary and, as I record this, we haven't yet celebrated. It's coming up this week and I'm sure we'll do dinner or something, but last year was our 30th and my husband surprised me with a trip to Utah. Now it's kind of a long story, but I was out in Colorado with two of our boys attending a camp in Estes Park in Colorado, at Annunciation Heights, which, by the way, I'm going to give a shout out to them. They do an amazing job and if you're looking for a great experience, a truly authentic Catholic camp, check it out. They have youth camps, but they also have family camps that they run throughout the summer. Anyway, I was out there staying with my daughter and her husband and my new grandchild because they were working at the camp at the time. They were missionaries there and my two youngest boys were attending camp, so I was just staying with my daughter and her husband. Now my husband flew out the second week and surprised me and we drove to Utah to celebrate our anniversary and I just saw some pictures that showed up on my phone. You know how they show up, as you know your memories from this day and it was really cool to see. But I'm not going to lie, it made me a little sad because I wish we had some summer trip, road trip plan. But oh well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1We last year what started this whole thing? We've been kind of traveling a lot in the last few years, usually heading out west. We like to hike. It kind of began on our 25th wedding anniversary, which was six years ago. Obviously we went to our first trip out west hiking and I had planned it and we went for I'm thinking it was close to two weeks and we went to Jackson Hole, yellowstone, and then we went up to Glacier and it was such a great trip decided that we just wanted to continue to do more hiking, and so Utah was on our list. And my husband. He did a great job. He enlisted one of my other daughters to help put it all together, but anyway they went with it and it was great. So, anyway, I don't know where all this is going.
Summer Plans and Anniversaries
Speaker 1We were talking about summer, and this came up in my memory in our anniversary, and maybe it's just to say that if you're thinking about doing something fun, go for it, plan it, don't wait. You won't regret it. So, and while I'm, like I said, I feel a little bad that we don't have big travel plans, I also know that summer is short and I have a lot of things that I want to do, as I'm sure you do as well. You know the farmer's market there's a winery here in the area that we love to go to. My daughter works there and they have beautiful music, and I don't know. We had talked about going to the zoo one day with my granddaughter and my son, who still lives at home, and then, I don't know, we live in Wisconsin, so Wisconsin Dells is always a really big deal with the water parks here. But this is what happens to me in summer and I'm sure you maybe find the same thing as I have all these ideas and plans of what I want to be doing, and then the days and weeks just begin to fly by and as I look at my calendar, I'm already thinking when am I going to get this all in in the spirit of this podcast, what I teach and what I like to talk about, and the idea that I get to choose how I think about things. I'm going to choose to enjoy each day and all that it brings, and I'm choosing to accept that some things may not happen as I had hoped, but that it's all going to be good, because, if anything holds true, these sunny summer days are going to be gone before I know it and I don't want to spend any time worrying about what comes next or the plans that fell through. So, with that, I hope the same thing for you Enjoy whatever summer plans you have and don't waste any time fretting over what could have been or what should be. Just enjoy the day in front of you and be present with the people you're with right. Enjoy the gift of today. With that, I want to move on to today's topic, which honestly has nothing to do with summer plans, but I just wanted to talk about both of them. So here it is.
Speaker 1So today, I want to talk about courage and confidence the difference, the similarities and what we think they are and why we think we want them. I'm going to ask the question as we start off here would you rather have courage or would you rather have confidence? And I'm curious what your initial response to this is. Most people believe that they need to feel courageous. Right, I just wish I was courageous. I wish I had more courage. But courage isn't necessarily an emotion. It's actually a choice or a decision. Isn't that strange? So if it's a choice or a decision, then it would mean it's available to all of us. Right, it's a choice we get to make.
Speaker 1Now, the funny thing is, I think, that most people believe the same of confidence. They feel like it's just something that is felt, and yet either you feel it or you don't, but I don't know that I necessarily agree with the way that is. I think confidence is more of a belief or a thought that they have about themselves, or maybe it's derived from a thought about themselves. So if it's a thought or a belief, then it's available to any of us as well, right. Why do so many people feel like having courage or confidence is hard to attain, when courage is a decision or a choice and confidence is really nothing more than the result of the way we think? Because we know that we choose our thoughts, of the way we think. Because we know that we choose our thoughts, and I would say it's safe to say that most people, if we ask them, would love to be more courageous or more confident, or both, but definitely more confident. Isn't it funny? If I ask you and you thought you had to pick, I think most of us would say we'd rather have confidence if there was a choice between the two, because we know, on some level courage it involves risk or fear, at least on some level.
Speaker 1Think about every great story you've ever read, or even I'm thinking of, like the Disney movies. The hero of the story is someone who shows courage in the face of some obstacle or challenge. Right they overcome. It's the things that heroes are made of. Even in real life stories, great stories of war heroes or heroic feats that people have accomplished, there's always some level of courage, and anytime someone shows great courage, there's a story that's worth telling and people want to hear more. I want to give a definition, like I do so often, of what each of these really, what these are defined as according to Merriam-Webster. That's my source for most of this. Now, courage is a noun and it states mental or moral strength to venture, persevere and withstand danger, fear or difficulty.
Speaker 1I went to chat GPT and I asked for some words that are similar. Now, I probably could have found this if I just did the thesaurus as well, but this is what I found Words that are similar to Brave, bold, fearless, daring, valiant, gritty, resilient, tenacious, empowered, unshakable. Now that's interesting, isn't it Gritty? There's some here that I thought were interesting, some that landed well with me and some I didn't. I don't know if I really can relate to, but the opposite of courageous, and I think this actually makes it a little more clear, because a lot of us feel like we wish we had more courage, and so, if you're like me, I can identify with a lot of these terms.
Speaker 1Now, the first one, the opposite of somebody with courage or something showing courageousness, is fearful, cowardly, timid is fearful, cowardly, timid, hesitant, anxious, faint-hearted, apprehensive, weak, reluctant, passive. Again, a few of those I can you know fearful, I definitely can identify with, hesitant, a little bit, apprehensive, reluctant. Those are all words that I know I could very easily identify in my own life. So let's move to the definition of confident, which is an adjective, and it states full of conviction, having or showing assurance and self-reliance, which makes sense. That makes sense when we read that. So the words similar to confident again thanks to ChatGPT are assured, secure, self-reliant, empowered, certain, poised, bold, fearless, strong, determined, definitely, you know, definitely packs a punch there. Those are some some nice words. When I think about it, that most of us, I can see why we, we would like to identify ourselves as the opposite now of confident, and again, same as with courageous. I think these are ones that we tend to use as labels on ourselves sometimes. So I'm going to read these and see if anything jumps out at you when you're listening. So the first one is insecure, doubtful, anxious, timid, fearful, uncertain, hesitant, apprehensive, self-conscious and passive. It's interesting when I saw this that there's several of the, as we would say, antonyms or the opposites of confident and courageous are the same Apprehensive, fearful, uncertain, hesitant. Those were similar.
Courage vs Confidence: Key Differences
Speaker 1I just want to ask you, as I went through that list, where in your life do you see where maybe you had to act with courage, right when you, when you heard those words, where you were brave, where you were bold or fearless, where you were resilient? And also where in your life do you remember times where, maybe, you failed to act with courage? It might be a time when you didn't step up and say what you wanted to say for fear of what others would think. Or maybe you didn't say yes to some invite or challenge because you're too afraid or intimidated. Right, where are you avoiding that hard thing because you lack courage? Maybe it's the conversation you know you need to have with someone, or maybe it's taking a stance that you you know isn't going to land well with your loved ones. Courage can be risky, and it usually is. It involves risk Because we know what the outcome will be, or maybe we have an idea that it's not going to land well. Now I've heard people say I just need to build up the courage to right. I need to build up the courage to whatever they're trying to do, which really just means they're hoping to gain confidence before they take action.
Speaker 1What about confidence? Where in your life do you feel very confident in your ability to do something? Where have you been assured, secure, certain, determined and it's likely in an area where you've had some experience, you had practice or evidence that you could perform or complete that thing or accomplish that, and it could be something big or small. Maybe it's your ability to run a certain distance, your ability to effectively run a business, maybe it's knowing you can pull off planning a big event because you've done it many times before. And I was thinking about this in my own life and for me. I have confidence in my ability to learn a new task. It's something I've done many times before.
Speaker 1If I see someone else having done something and I think, well, I could do that, I think I could figure it out, if somebody just showed me, I have confidence in my ability to learn that new skill or trait and to be able to do it, I guess within reason, right? You know, if I see a beautiful painting or a sculpture, I don't think I would have confidence I could do that because that's I feel like there's a talent there. But if it's a learned skill, I believe I could acquire the skills to learn it and do it effectively. Right, I taught myself how to knit. Isn't really a big deal, but people will always say you know, how'd you learn how to knit? And I was like I just I taught myself.
Speaker 1I learned back in the day I'm going to date myself here, but back in the day I'm going to date myself here. But back in the day, when there used to be a decorative painting in your house, they called it like faux, faux finish and you use these special like sponges or like mitts that were kind of like furry and you could, you know, do all these fancy painting on the walls. And I just took a class and I did it, and I did it in our house and I did it at different places and people would always comment about who did it and I. It was something that I was like, well, if somebody else can do it and they feel like I can figure that out and I can do it myself, right. So there's kind of this idea or confidence I have that I can figure things out if needed, if I'm given the right information. And for mothers out there, I'm going to use this example your first pregnancy. You have some fear and trepidation around childbirth. At least most of us do make it an assumption, but I think it's a pretty fair one. But after you've gone through it. Whether it was a good experience or not, you have some level of confidence that you'll be able to do it again.
Speaker 1Another area which I came to mind as I was thinking about this, where I see some people struggle, is with travel, and I hear my mom express this when it comes to young people and travel, and it's because this was just not part of her experience Flying to other states by themselves or navigating airports and Ubers. It's completely out of her comfort zone, at least doing it. If she had to do it alone, if my dad was here and they were doing it together, she'd probably feel a little differently. But for some of my kids it's just nothing. They just have the confidence that they'll get to where they need to be, or at least they can figure it out. They know now, with all the technology, that there's easy ways to find where they need to be going, and so for them, they just have confidence and they don't. They don't about that where my mom thinks it's an enormous deal and she was like I could never do that, I could never do that.
Speaker 1So but what about the opposite? So, say you, you have confidence in your. What about the opposite? What what's? Where do you lack confidence? Where do you feel insecure, doubtful, hesitant, self conscious, doubtful, hesitant, self-conscious? I'm more hesitant when it comes to initiating new ideas. I question if they're good enough or what others think. But what about you? Do you lack confidence in your ability to stick to losing weight, or start a business, as I talked about, or make, make money or find a spouse, and for a lot of it's, maybe it's speaking in front of an audience, and I think, if we're honest, this list is much easier for most of us to answer.
Speaker 1We find ways where we lack confidence or we feel that we don't have confidence, and and this is just a little little thing is look to someone that you admire, and there you'll find some evidence for an area where we lack confidence, because if we admire them, we would like, at least on some small scale, to be like them. Meaning, we're not there yet. We lack the confidence to be doing, having living, what have you as they are? In the work that I do, one of the biggest areas where people struggle is with making decisions or taking action, which often go hand in hand, and the reasons they give me for not being able to take the action or to make decisions, yes, but most of the time it's taking action, and the reason that they're not taking action is because they lack confidence. It's about fear or hesitation, and the reasons that they give me which, by the way, are the same reasons that I have for not taking action in my own life.
Where We Lack Confidence
Speaker 1Right, this isn't just about the people I'm working with. I deal with the same things Our thoughts about how they want to feel more secure and confident before they take action. They want more belief in themselves and others, essentially, and it's basically that they feel they need certain things to be in place so they can feel confident before moving forward. And if you don't believe me, let me just ask you this what's one thing that you wish you had right now that you don't? And if I ask you why, you're likely going to give a lot of reasons why you don't have it right. Not enough of whether it's time, money, energy, resources, resources. But when we get to the bottom of it and it comes down to it and we start to really dig in, the only reason you're not moving toward that thing is because of some fear, and what's required for you to move through that is courage. And so when we get to this point and are working together. People tell me that they just need to be more confident to move forward, but really what they need is courage.
Speaker 1I asked Chet I went back to good, good old chat GPT again for some distinctions between confidence and courage, and here's what it gave me, and actually I really like what it. What the response was For chat GPT the courage. The definition was taking action despite fear, uncertainty or lack of skill, and courage comes first. It's about moving forward when you don't feel ready. It's rooted in values and faith, not in feelings. And an example is saying yes to a new opportunity when you're scared. So courage says I'm afraid, but I'll try it anyway. Now.
Speaker 1Confidence is defined as a belief in your ability, skills or likelihood of success, and it comes later. It's built over time through experience, repetition and progress. Confidence is rooted in evidence and practice, and an example of it is feeling sure of yourself when giving a talk because you've done it before. So confidence says I've done this before, I know I can do it, whereas courage says I'm afraid, but I'll do it anyway. So the key differences is that courage is what you need before you have the proof and confidence is what grows after you've taken courageous steps. So I want to say that again Confidence is what grows after you've taken courageous steps.
Speaker 1It doesn't say confidence is what you gain when you've succeeded in everything you've done. It says it's what grows after you've taken courageous steps. So courage is required before you have any proof or evidence, basically, of what you can do or achieve right. There's no attachment to any outcome. We don't know. We're stepping out, as we would say as Christians. We're stepping out in faith. Confidence comes after you've taken the steps, not after you've achieved an outcome, but after you've taken the steps. Not after you've achieved an outcome, but after you've taken the steps, and that's it. That's a crucial point that I'm trying to make here. So, and it states that confidence grows and it's something that's going to continue to grow and expand. It doesn't say that it requires you to have evidence of success. It's just after you've taken courageous steps.
Speaker 1Confidence grows from taking action despite fear and uncertainty, and it's evidence in practice. What's crazy is that typically, when people are needing to move in a new direction is when they're needing some help and coaching. So if they're needing to move in a new direction, it's obviously it's not something that they've done before. Typically, when they come to me and say I just want to feel more confident, what they really need is courage. Courage is required when they have no proof or evidence. How can you have confidence in your ability to do something if you've not done it before? Well, again, confidence is just the taking the courageous steps forward.
Speaker 1There's something else, so let's talk a little bit about. Maybe you've attempted to start your own business and it failed. I'm using air quotes here because I don't like the word failure. I believe that that's something we need to talk about, and I will talk about it in another episode. But a failure is just a thought that you have. For this example, let's just say that you've not had the outcome that you wanted. Or maybe you've tried different diets and you didn't lose the weight you wanted. Or I hear people say this all the time too. It's like I could never speak in front of people and they say they just aren't confident enough. But I believe what they really need in all of these situations is courage, the courage to act, the courage to start, the courage to move. So, knowing that our actions are the result of our emotions I just want to touch on this real quick is that some emotions can drive us to take action, to move us to take courageous steps right, to draw upon courage, faith and values. And often that's what prompts us is we have where we have strong conviction in our values and in our faith, and those are the things that drive us to be able to take steps right when we feel fear, so we can find courage to do the things if we have conviction, conviction that's rooted in our values and in our faith. Possibly Many of us lose confidence in our own ability to do things because we claim or we feel we have evidence from our past that's going to lead us to believe that we aren't capable of these things.
Taking Action Despite Fear
Speaker 1We're using this, we're going to say, yeah, but I tried this or I tried that Right, or that's. That's often what we say is that we don't have confidence because we may have tried something and it didn't turn out like we wanted. So then we just use this as a reason to believe that we can't do something else or do this better. But what if none of that were true? Because, remember, they're just thoughts and our confidence comes from our thoughts. So all we really need to do is to change our thoughts. So if you had thoughts like I believe that, no matter what happens, I will learn something and I will come out on the other side stronger and more capable than before, that definitely will lead to confidence. You're not attaching it to having to succeed or having to accomplish something right, and it takes out the word failure. You can just remove that altogether, because in every experience we're learning something. Whether you identify it as a success or a failure, it's a learned experience and when we can change our perspective on that, it's going to help us to approach things differently and to feel more confident moving forward.
Speaker 1I also want to say that it's true that we think we need more confidence to do something, but the reality is the reason we feel like we want more confidence is what we're really the reality is is the reason we feel like we want more confidence is what we're really looking for is to be assured of a successful outcome. That's really what we're looking for, right, that we're guaranteed that it's going to be as we wish, that it's going to be okay. But I want to just point out that when I say we want to be guaranteed that it's going to be okay, from a Christian perspective we know that it's going to be okay. We should at least believe that. And also, from a Christian perspective, let's just talk about the fact of you know where does our faith come in. Because if we're always assured of a successful outcome, why would we even need faith? If we could just rely on confidence or being assured of an outcome to have proof or evidence of success, then why would we ever need faith? Why would we ever step out in faith, which is what we're told is necessary? Well, I think it's great that we have confidence. I think it's important that we clarify our confidence and make sure we're understanding where its proper order is in our lives right, and clarify confidence in whom and in what.
Speaker 1So let's see if we can shift this a little bit and look at confidence a little differently altogether. So here's some thoughts that I wanted to share with you. It's confidence in our ability to follow through with something, in our ability to come out the other side and be okay, as much differently than just confidence in a guaranteed success. So if we can focus on confidence, on our ability to follow through and our ability to come out the other side and be okay, that's noteworthy, because you will be okay, regardless of what your brain might be telling you, you'll be okay, and you actually. The other thing I want to mention is, actually, you don't need to have confidence. What you need is courage courage to act despite uncertainty, and confidence will naturally follow.
Speaker 1And if you're someone who's using past experiences or failures as a way to justify the fact that you lack self-confidence, then I really, really want you to ask yourself what you learned from that experience, because if you go into it in the right frame of mind, you should be able to glean some things that you learned. It should be opportunities for growth. At least that's what God intended for you. And if you can't see that, then I encourage you to pray to God, you know, to show you what it is that you were to learn in that experience. I want to ask you now can you think of someone you know who seems to be very confident, like real confidence, not pretend confidence.
Speaker 1That's insecurity just masked in, you know, boastfulness, but a quiet confidence in their presence, someone who, who knows who they are and what they're capable of, or maybe even not capable of, because, in truth, when we're aware of our limitations or, you know, feeling comfortable, you know, in the fact of what we're not capable of. That's also a form of confidence. There's a confidence in knowing what you're good at and what you're capable of, but there's also a confidence that comes from knowing what you're not capable of. And that acceptance of that, I'm going to be really I'm going to dare to say you're going to be really hard pressed to find someone who you think emulates real, authentic confidence, like I talked about, who hasn't lived courageously, at least for a good amount of time, because I don't believe that that's possible. They've put in the time, they've taken steps while fearing fear. They didn't know what was going to come next, but they did it anyway.
Speaker 1It's kind of in the evidence or proof that they can do hard things and no matter what the outcome was is they came through it and they were okay. That's the important thing is just knowing that you can come, come through it and do hard things, because for a lot of people, they avoid doing these things, they avoid doing things that require courage. Instead, they live in fear, they live small, which just creates more of the same. Yes, of course, stepping out and doing things that you're scared to do, over time it creates confidence, which creates the opposite of scared you begin to build a life that is one of confident assurance just because you've taken that action. It's not, like I said, it's not tied to the outcomes, but it's because you've learned that you can do these things and you're going to be okay, even if it's small things I'm not, I mean it can be big things, but it can be things like, you know, the courage to start another health and weight loss goal after possibly many attempts that are failed Again.
Speaker 1I use that word lightly here, but you know I'm going to use it for purposes because that's what people relate to. But that takes courage, because the thought that it might not work again can feel very daunting. It can produce a lot of shame and fear that we don't want to fail again, and so even that experience requires courage. And it's the same thing. If you've experienced failed relationships, you may decide that it's just easier not to try again than to experience the pain of another breakup. But the fear and the avoidance is not going to produce the confidence that you're looking for, because fear begets more fear. Only courage can get you what you want, regardless of the outcome, and especially if you take the perspective that there really isn't a chance for failure if you take each experience as a growth opportunity, lessons learned, even if painful.
Saints, Faith, and Courage
Speaker 1Right, this reframe is huge and it's hard. It's hard to move to, but it's definitely worth it and, as I've said before, life is meant to be lived fully alive. We're not meant to sit on the sidelines and just be a cheerleader, even though that feels safer. And, don't get me wrong, the world needs cheerleaders, but only when you're taking a breather from the game. Right, then you can cheer on others who are still out there, but not as a permanent place.
Speaker 1The people who are participating in the sport or the event, the ones who are putting on the performance, who are preaching the gospel, are starting that business. They're the ones that are in their arena, as Brene Brown so beautifully talks about. They're in their arena, they're in the battle, they're doing the work. The people we admire for their confidence have put in the time, the work and the energy. And speaking of people that we admire, I need to mention some of the saints.
Speaker 1We were just talking about this in one of my women's groups that we meet on Thursday mornings and someone had brought up. We bring a saint that we like to talk about and just kind of shed a light on their life and just learn more about them. And St Joan of Arc was one of them, and she's known for her courage, right? But the reality is that all saints were courageous. They showed great courage, especially the martyrs, of course, but I would dare to say that all of them, and that they likely face much persecution from both their enemies, but even their loved ones, for remaining faithful. They also had confidence in god. Their courage came from confidence in god, not necessarily them in themselves, and so we know that the only way to have confidence is by stepping, you know, out in out in courage or, as we could say, faith.
Speaker 1And there's a big lesson here For us to grow in confident trust in God, then we must step out in faith, so to act in times of uncertainty, to acknowledge our fear and hesitation and do it anyway. And, as I mentioned earlier, chet GPT said, courage is rooted in faith and values, not feelings. And in Joshua 1, chapter 9, we read take courage, for the Lord, your God, is with you wherever you go. And that, my friends, is really all we should need to hear If we're struggling with the courage we need to step forward, the courage that we're afraid to do things that are risky or fearful. It's just that idea of remembering that God is with us wherever we go. If we can truly grasp that concept, we should be able to move forward with courage. We don't need to be confident in our own ability to handle everything well, to perform perfectly or to achieve all the things. We just need to step out in courage and know that we can do so from a place of confidence that God's got us and in the end it's all going to be okay. We're going to be okay. So the next time you're looking to make some big changes in your life and you aren't sure if you have what it takes, I suggest you pray for courage and the confidence will come.
Speaker 1Now, each week, my goal here is to provide you with helpful tips and information so that you can take with you and apply in your life. And sometimes that's all you need. But sometimes you may want to explore further and for that reason I'm currently offering a free mini session with me for any of my listeners. You can find the link in the show notes to sign up for our free 30-minute one-on-one coaching session to go deeper on any of these topics, whether you're wanting more courage, or to grow in confidence, or you just want to learn more about how to live a life of meaning and purpose. I encourage you to take advantage of this free offering.
Speaker 1Again, check out the link in my show notes to schedule a time that works for you, and thanks so much for listening. I hope you have a fantastic week and until next time, onward and upward, my friends, to the heights. Thanks so much for listening today. If you have any questions or would like to go deeper into this topic or how it affects you in your own life, you can find me at SharonKCoachingcom. That's Sharon the letterKCoachingcom. That's Sharon the letter K coachingcom. If you've enjoyed listening, please subscribe and leave a review on your favorite platform and feel free to share with anyone you think might benefit from what you've heard.